5k Apocalypse

I am getting my 5k apocalypse list together and I want to see what you guys think.
Unfortunately, I do not own any Imperial Armor stuff but here is where I am so far.



Aspect Assault Wave

Autarch (Mandiblaster; Warp Jump Generators; Scorpion Chainsword; Fusion Gun) //Fire Dragons//

Dire Avengers (Bladestorm ; Defend ; Power Weapon; Shimmershield)
Wave Serpent(Star Engines; Shuriken Cannon; TL Bright Lances)

Fire Dragons (Crack Shot ; Dragon's Breath Flamer)
Wave Serpent (Star Engines; Shuriken Cannon; TL Bright Lances)

Howling Banshees (Acrobatic; Executioner)
Wave Serpent (Star Engines; Shuriken Cannon; TL Bright Lances)


Spirit Host

Warlock (Destructor; Spiritseer Upgrade; Witchblade)
Warlock (Destructor; Spiritseer Upgrade; Witchblade)
Warlock (Enhance; Spiritseer Upgrade; Witchblade)

10 Wraithguard
Warlock (Enhance ; Spiritseer Upgrade; Witchblade)

Wraithlord (Flamer x2; Bright Lance; Missile Launcher)
Wraithlord (Flamer x2; Bright Lance; Missile Launcher)
Wraithlord (Flamer x2; Bright Lance; Missile Launcher)


The Phoenix Court of Khaine

Avatar
Asurmen
Baharroth
Fuegan
Jain Zar
Karandras
Maugan Ra


Other

Falcon (Holo-Field; Spirit Stones; Star Engines; Vectored Engines; Scatter Laser; Shuriken Cannon)
5 Dire Avengers (basic)

Fire Prism (Holo-Field; Spirit Stones; Star Engines; Vectored Engines; Shuriken Cannon)

Eldrad Ulthran //with Banshees//




The debate

Now, for my last 500 or so points I am trying to decide what would be more beneficial


1. I could beef up the Assault Wave with Scorpions

Striking Scorpions (Stalker; Scorpion Chainsword; Scorpion Claw)
Wave Serpent (Star Engines; Shuriken Cannon; TL Bright Lances)


2. I could add another formation, but I only own 3 War Walkers so 1 in each squad
The Cloak of Shadow and Web of Twilight formation rules makes this a tempting option

Shadow Walker War Walker Host
War Walker (Spirit Stones; Scatter Laser; Scatter Laser)
War Walker (Spirit Stones; Scatter Laser; Scatter Laser)
War Walker (Spirit Stones; Scatter Laser; Scatter Laser)


3. I could add more Farseers


4. I could add a beefy Harlequin Troupe to run with the Phoenix Court

Eldar: Local Tourney List

2k point Local Tourney List

this is what my evolved list has become, separated by units


Passing Team

Elite: Howling Banshees/Eldrad
HQ:Eldrad Ulthran
9 Howling Banshees
Howling Banshee Exarch (Executioner)
Wave Serpent (Shuriken Cannon; Bright Lance)

Troops: Dire Avengers
9 Dire Avengers
Dire Avenger Exarch (Bladestorm; Defend; Power Weapon; Shimmershield)
Wave Serpent (Shuriken Cannon; Bright Lances)

Troops: Dire Avengers
5 Dire Avengers
Falcon (Holo-Field; Shuriken Cannon; Scatter Laster)



Running Team

HQ: Avatar (Eater of Worlds)

Heavy Support: Wraithlord
(Flamer x2; Bright Lance; Missile Launcher)

Troops: Wraithguard
10 Wraithguard
Warlock (Enhance; Spiritseer; Witchblade)

Heavy Support: Dark Reapers
4 Dark Reapers
1 Dark Reaper Exarch (Crack Shot ; Reaper Launcher)

Total Roster Cost: 1997

2.5k Ard Boyz List

2500 Pts - Altansar Eldar Roster - Ard Boys

HQ: Avatar

HQ: Eldrad Ulthran

Troops: Dire Avengers
10 Dire Avengers
Exarch(Bladestorm; Defend; Power Weapon; Shimmershield)

Wave Serpent
Spirit Stone; Vectored Engines;
Shuriken Cannon; TL Scatter Laser

Troops: Pathfinders (Rangers)
8 Pathfinders (Rangers)

Troops: Wraithguard
10 Wraithguard
Spiritseer (Destructor; Witchblade)

Troops: Guardian Squad
10 G Defender Squad (Shuriken Cannon)
Spiritseer (Destructor; Singing Spear)

Elite: Howling Banshees
10 Howling Banshees
Exarch(War Shout; Acrobatic; Executioner)

Wave Serpent
Spirit Stone; Star Engines; Vectored Engines;
Shuriken Cannon; TL Bright Lances

Elite: Striking Scorpions
10 Striking Scorpions
Exarch(Shadowstrike; Stalker; Biting Blade)

Heavy Support: Dark Reapers
5 Dark Reapers
Exarch(Crack Shot; Reaper Launcher)

Heavy Support: Wraithlord
Flamer (x2); Bright Lance; Missile Launcher

Heavy Support: Wraithlord
Flamer (x2); Bright Lance; Missile Launcher

Total Roster Cost: 2500

The List: 1.1

As far as my list goes I feel solid over the three heavy choices (Falcon, Wraithlord, Dark Reapers), and the two troop choices (Dire Avengers, Pathfinders), but the rest is negotiable. The Harlequins are exceptional but do they fill the slot better than Scorpions or Banshees? I am honestly not so sure, they have better survivability but the attention is on the immediate threat of the heavy’s. The Fire dragons seem great for anti heavy but I have yet to actually use/need them in any game with the rest of my list more than compensating for their role. I think I will swap them out for a fast attack unit to harass and dwindle while casting dispersions elsewhere. Swooping Hawks actually sound like a great antimob unit with the added bonus of tank stunner but their effectiveness seems somewhat shabby. Warp Spiders always have me feeling as if I am simply not clever enough to use them properly, and Vypers just sound too cheesy/glass to add to this heavy list. I think the Avatar is awesome but it may be unnecessary serving as a minor distraction at the most while my heavy’s seem to be the major focus. A few people refer to the Avatar as a great unit to simply suck up attacks and inspire core choices, which is great, but not if all the commotion is on the heavy’s. The Farseer is great, Doom and Fortune are must haves but I am worried I will face the same problem in fantasy with High Elves that I do here. I always take Teclis, or a generic High Elf Mage to fulfill a support role and never feel satisfied with the use of points. The mages are never in the right place or have to decide which unit to save while another dies and I am constantly worrying about how to best use them. I think the Eldar Farseers are better than High Elf Mages, Doom alone seems completely absurd and the potential makes it more than relevant if not a requirement.

1500 Pts - Eldar Roster - Altansar

HQ: Avatar (1#, 155 Pts)
1 Avatar @ 155 Pts
Unit Type: Monstrous Creature; Fearless; Deamon; Inspiring; Molten Body; Wailing Doom (WD)

HQ: Farseer (1#, 188 Pts)
1 Farseer @ 188 Pts
Psyker; Doom ; Eldritch Storm ; Fortune ; Mind War ; Fleet; Ghost Helm (GH); Rune Armour (RAmr); Runes of Warding (RofWard); Spirit Stones (P:SpStn); Shuriken Pistol (Sp); Singing Spear (SSpr)

Elite: Fire Dragons (5#, 105 Pts)
4 Fire Dragons @ 105 Pts
Fleet; Fusion Gun (Fg); Melta Bombs
1 Fire Dragon Exarch @ [41] Pts
Fleet; Crack Shot (CS); Firepike; Melta Bombs

Elite: Harlequin Troupe (7#, 206 Pts)
5 Harlequin Troupe @ 206 Pts
Fleet; Flip Belts; Furious Charge; Hit & Run; Holo-Suit (H-S); Harlequins Kiss (Hkiss) (x5); Fusion Pistol (Fp); Fusion Pistol (Fp); Shuriken Pistol (x3); Hallucinogen Grenades
1 Harle Death Jester @ [28] Pts
Fleet; Flip Belts; Furious Charge; Hit & Run; Holo-Suit (H-S); Harlequin Shrieker Cannon (HSC); Hallucinogen Grenades
1 Harle Shadow Seer @ [48] Pts
Psyker; Veil Of Tears ; Fleet; Flip Belts; Furious Charge; Hit & Run; Holo-Suit (H-S); Close Combat Weapon; Shuriken Pistol (Sp); Hallucinogen Grenades

Troops: Pathfinders (Rangers) (5#, 120 Pts)
5 Pathfinders (Rangers) @ 120 Pts
Fleet; Infiltrate; Move Through Cover; Stealth; Ignore Difficult Terrain; Pathfinder Stealth; Scouts; Pathfinders; Shuriken Pistol (Sp) (x5); Ranger Long Rifle (RLRifle)

Troops: Dire Avengers (10#, 162 Pts)
9 Dire Avengers @ 162 Pts
Fleet; Avenger S-Catapult (ASC)
1 Dire Avenger Exarch @ [54] Pts
Fleet; Bladestorm (BS); Power Weapon; Shimmershield (Sshld)
1 Shimmershield @ [0] Pts

Heavy Support: Dark Reapers (5#, 197 Pts)
4 Dark Reapers @ 197 Pts
Reaper Launcher (RL)
1 Dark Reaper Exarch @ [57] Pts
Crack Shot (CS); Reaper Launcher (RL)

Heavy Support: Falcon (1#, 215 Pts)
1 Falcon @ 215 Pts
Holo-Field (Vehicle) (H-F); Spirit Stone (V:SpStn); Vectored Engines (VE); Starcannon (StrCan); Shuriken Cannon (SCan); Pulse Laser (PL)

Heavy Support: Wraithlord (1#, 150 Pts)
1 Wraithlord @ 150 Pts
Unit Type: Monstrous Creature; Fearless; WraithSight; Flamer (x2); Bright Lance (BL); Scatter Laser (SctL)

Total Roster Cost: 1498